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What Love is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God chapter 1 What Love is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God, meaning What Love is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God, genre What Love is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God, book cover What Love is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God, flies What Love is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God, What Love is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God 35fb030737ab8 Many Sincere, Bible Believing Christians Are Calvinists Only By Default Thinking That The Only Choice Is Between Calvinism With Its Presumed Doctrine Of Eternal Security And Arminianism With Its Teaching That Salvation Can Be Lost , And Confident Of Christ S Promise To Keep Eternally Those Who Believe In Him, They Therefore Consider Themselves To Be Calvinists It Takes Only A Few Simple Questions To Discover That Most Christians Are Largely Unaware Of What John Calvin And His Early Followers Of The Sixteenth And Seventeenth Centuries Actually Believed And Practiced Nor Do They Fully Understand What Most Of Today S Leading Calvinists Believe Although There Are Disputed Variations Of The Calvinist Doctrine, Among Its Chief Proponents Whom We Quote Extensively In Context There Is General Agreement On Certain Core Beliefs Many Evangelicals Who Think They Are Calvinists Will Be Surprised To Learn Of Calvin S Belief In Salvation Through Infant Baptism And Of His Grossly Un Christian Behavior, At Times, As The Protestant Pope Of Geneva, Switzerland Most Shocking Of All, However, Is Calvinism S Misrepresentation Of God, Who Is Love It Is Our Prayer That This Volume Will Enable Readers To Examine Carefully The Vital Issues Involved And To Follow God S Holy Word Not Man S Teachings The First Edition Of This Book Was Greeted By Fervent Opposition And Criticism From Calvinists In This Enlarged And Revised Edition I Have Endeavored To Respond To The Critics Dave Hunt

10 thoughts on “What Love is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God

  1. says:

    I ll link a detailed review, but please note that within a 6 month span Hunt went from saying that he had never read original sources on Calvinism to saying that he probably knew about Calvinism then most Calvinist s However, it is quickly apparent that he is still not familiar with primary sources which causes his misrepresentations.http www.thegracelifepulpit.com art

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    A former pastor handed me this book to try and deter me off my Calvinist cliff , as he called it I read it thoughtfully and took a ton of notes Sadly, Hunt refused to actually deal with the doctrines of grace accurately, despite his high intelligence I suspect his emotions and staunchly held world view kept him from approaching the subject with any kind of objectivity Right from the beginning, his objections were straw man imaginations, often presenting silly caricatures of Calvinist beliefs instead of accurate details Thus, when he refuted each detail, he was refuting something that was essentially his own imagination For instance, early in the book he tries to suggest that Spurgeon wasn t really a Calvinist by taking a small portion of his sermon out of context and ignoring the very next paragraph For another, while he was charitable regarding the Servetus controversy than most Arminian commentators, he still largely ignored many important points A little research on the subject would have been helpful, but would have worked against the arguments he was trying to make It is a shame that he had his heels dug in so deep, but I rejoice in knowing that, now in heaven he is fully celebrating God s sovereignty Dr James White co authored Debating Calvinism with Dr Hunt, which is a balanced approach For any who really want to understand Calvinism, I highly recommend R.C Sproul s Chosen by God , and for deeper consideration, Sam Storms Chosen for Life.

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    A better subtitle would be Dave Hunt s Misrepresentation of Calvinism When I read this I was looking for a good, scholarly Arminian tome that would provide some good counter arguments to a reformed soteriology This is not that book, as it s arguments are very repetitive and many straw men are burned to death.

  4. says:

    Basically, it s Dave Hunt s misrepresentation of Calvinism.

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    Apparently I believe that God damns even those that desperately love Him but don t know how to be saved That s odd Hunt s criticisms of beliefs are all true, but no Calvinist that I ve met holds to the beliefs So, I agreed with the entire book, save where he blithely asserts what we believe I had hoped for better.

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    Let me preface this review by saying I am not a 5 point Calvinist That being said, while I believe Dr Hunt and the Berean Call have done some great things for the cause of Christ, this book isn t one of them I have never read another theology book that so grossly misrepresents the other side as this one does And although I share many of Dr Hunts sentiments about the full blown implications of Hyper Calvinism, this book reads like a triggered rant than a scholarly work He spent over 100 pages trying to assassinate the character of Augustine and Calvin before he even got to the doctrines themselves I have no problem exposing flaws but it s obvious that he was trying to poison the well The same could be done with Mark and Peter Also, He cherry picks quotes from several Calvinist authors of which I have read and takes them out of context to try to prove his point He even attempted to make Spurgeon look like he really wasn t a Calvinist Also, the straw men are too many to count For example, on page 370 he attempts to explain how Calvinists believe the elect can be saved without the Gospel and even without faith bc of predestination I ve never met a Calvinist that believes that Also in his chapter on perseverance of the Saints he claims that Calvinists are trusting a works based salvation for assurance That s ridiculous Lastly, the final two chapters are nothing but a sappy fictitious story about a couple named Al and Jane whose faith was destroyed by reading books by Calvinist authors If u must read this book please don t let it be the only one that you read on the subject.

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    I ve been running in Reformed circles for a few years now The name Dave Hunt has come up a few times Never in flattering terms Funny, but listening to Calvinists rail against him, I would reflect fondly on a Dave Hunt I read as a younger man Hunt was a curmudgeonly old Christian who loved eschatology and wrote hit pieces against the Catholics and Muslims Surely not the same guy Wellsame guy I recognized Hunt s bald dome on the back cover immediately Small world Calvinists are universally annoyed with Hunt I can see why In What love Is This , Hunt uses the same skewering tactics as he did against the Catholics It s fun reading, but it won t change any minds Ultimately, I found What Love to be a mixed bag It s often unfair, sometimes fallacious, but other times thought provoking If my reformed brothers can look past the crabby tone, Hunt raises some legitimate concerns Notes Personal note Calvinists are universally annoyed with Hunt Is he fair Does he accurately represent calvinism It is not possible to be a Calvinist and hold logically and consistently to less than all five points 28 The misrepresentation Hunt is concerned with is reprobation 46 Personal note Entire chapters devoted to character assassinations of Calvin and Augustine No wonder Calvinists complain Hunt is stacking the deck isn t Calvinism guilty of both absurdity and Injustice by declaring man to be incapable of repentance and faith and then condemning him for failing to repent and believe 114 Man s problem is not inability but unwillingness 120 Hunt s proof passages for the ordo salutis 124 presented in gospel He that believethshall be saved Mark 16 16.Then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of theirhearts, lest they should believe and be saved Luke 8 12 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved Acts 16 31 I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believet Romans 1 16 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospelby which also ye are savedunless ye have believed in vain 1 Corinthians 15 1 2 For by grace are ye saved through faith Ephesians 2 8 hem which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting I Timothy 1 16 124 Can God sincerely offer salvation to those for whom Christ did not die and whom he predestined to eternal torment 129 Personal note What Love is a mixed bag of uncharitable characterizations while pointing out valid concerns with Calvinism Not showing Mercy to all when all are equally guilty is a perversion of Justice Mercy can only be shown to the guilty on a righteous basis and if not, then justice has been corrupted 145 Personal note Traditionalists should press the free will point I listened to a debate between James White and Hunt while reading this White won the day, but the deck was stacked against Hunt he never should have agreed to the debate under those terms White used an analogy In it he said that God owes no one rescue The ones he does rescue are deserving of death I agree, but Calvinists are vulnerable here Problem is Compatiblist freedom They hold that God decrees the motivation from which man acts Personal note Analogy on compatiblism My daughter loves when I push her on the swing set I push, and she enjoys She concurs with the force of my push, and we are in alignment with her will But there is no sense in which she is in control No matter how simpatico our wills, I am in charge If something goes wrong, and she falls, everyone would rightly blame me No man can be held accountable for failing to do what is impossible for him to do 165 or numia acton linj choices between good and evil Each of us must come to his own conclusion based upon Scripture What Scripture Says About Free Will The words will, free will, willing, freewill, free will, along with related words such as voluntary, choose, etc., are found nearly 4,000 times in Scripture The requirement of willing obedience from the heart isa theme that runs all through the Bible If ye be willing and obedient Isaiah 1 19 , If any man will do his God s will John 7 17 , If thou believest with all thine heart Acts 8 37 , eto God wants our hearts, and the very concept of heart used through out Scripture is meaningless without free will That the king s heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water he turneth it whithersoever he will Proverbs 21 1 does not say that the king has no choice as Calvinisrm insists At the least, this is Solomon s declaration of submission as Israel s King to God and at the most, it says that God can turn any king s heart when He so desires But it does not declare that everything any king thinks, speaks, and does is according to God s will and by His pre ordination That proposition, again, would make God the author of evil The phrase, freewill offering is found nine.times Leviticus 22 21 3 Numbers T5 3 Deuteronomy 16 10 23 23 Ezra 1 4 3 5 7 168 28 , and freewill offerings is found seven times Leviticus 22 18 8 Numbers 29 39 Deuteronomy 12 6, 17 2 Chronicles 31 14, Psalm119 108 Those numbers, however, do not tell the full story There were countless freewill offerings as the following indicates And Kore the son Imnah the Levite was over the freewill offerings of God, to distrib he oblations of the LORD, and the most holy things 2 Chronicles31 14 The phrase willingly offered is found five times, such as the People willingly offered themselves Judges 5 2 Both phrases are even said together willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD Ezra 3 5 , Could the fact that gave why be stated clearly od gave man free will and a major reasonPersonal note does God have two wills, a will of decree and a will of desire If God is sovereign, then why can t he have what he desires What is restraining him so that he can t decree what he desires 254 odd, indeed, considering the emphasis Calvinists put on sovereignty, that God doesn t sovereignly fulfill his own desire 299 Personal note Calvinists will be annoyed at the lack of exegesis I m about halfway through the book, and Hunt doesn t break down many passages God is not in any way obligated to provide salvation for anyone 258 Personal note Calvinists rightly point out that if God allowed everyone to die in their sins, that would be perfectly just I agree The problem is the abundance of scripture that seems to indicate God s desire to save everyone Limiting atonement doesn t call God s justice into question so much as His integrity Surely the all in all we like sheep have gone astray must be the same as the all in for the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all Isaiah 53 6 261 Spiritually dead corpse can not accept Christ True Neither can it reject Him 278 Personal note I don t think Hunt s interpretation of predestination as simply referring to concomitant blessings goes through 287 The sinner s acceptance of Christ no gives the blood of Christ saving power then the son s acceptance of the one million would give it monetary value 297 A merchant advertises, Giant sale All merchandise half price Eager customers, however, discover that certain items are excluded from the sale When they complain that the ad read all merchandise , the merchant says, I didn t mean all without exception, but all without distinction All kinds of products are indeed on sale, but not every item of every kind Preterition passing over The non elect 331 A take on the strengthening argument Pharaoh hardened his heart, and then God hardened his heart The former meaning that God strengthened it so that pharaoh would have the courage to carry out his plans 334 If pharaoh was totally depraved, why did God have to harden his heart 335 Great point against White s interpretation of all men Acts 22 15 Ananias had in view all kinds of men Leads to absurdity Hunt misunderstands the Calvinist understanding of the gospel For the Calvinist, monergistic regeneration of the elect prior to faith IS the gospel Personal note At least two things going on 1 Hunt is being uncharitable He s not dealing with the best reformed arguments cast in the best light 2 he may be revealing some blind spots We get so used to our interpretations that we stop challenging themHunt stumbles in his exegesis of John 6 420 Genetic fallacy Even if Hunt succeeds in defaming Calvin, it doesn t advance the discussion 440 Book could have been shorter and tighter with better editing Hunt repeats himself, circles back to the same topic over and over, arguments are unfocusedGood section on persuasion 475

  8. says:

    Dave Hunt masterfully shows why Calvinism is heresy and misrepresents God A must read for all Christians.

  9. says:

    One of the worst refutations that I have read I give one star because I cannot give less.

  10. says:

    Blistering demolition of Calvinism demonstrates why it is such a repulsive doctrine.

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